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Speaker1:
Welcome to the Cancer Secrets podcast. Changing the Cancer Paradigm. Hosted by Dr. Jonathan Steagall, a medical doctor and cancer specialist practicing in Atlanta, Georgia, deeply affected by his grandmother's death from stomach cancer, as well as patients he cared for in medical training, he realized there has to be a better way to treat cancer. Dr. Stegall has a unique and innovative approach to treating cancer called integrative oncology, combining modern medicine with alternative therapies personalized to each patient. This podcast is designed to educate, support and give you a positive voice you can trust. We invite you to join us on this journey as we seek to change the cancer paradigm.
Speaker2:
Hi. This is Dr. Stegall. I'm so glad you're enjoying the Cancer Secrets podcast. Do you have a question you would like answered in a future episode? If so, please go to Cancer Secrets dot com and click on podcast at the top of the page. Look for the tab on the right side of the page that says Send voice mail. You can record your question straight from your smartphone or computer with your question. Be sure to tell us your first name, where you're from, and why you listen to the show. I will choose from the best questions and answer them on the air. I look forward to hearing from you soon. Hello and welcome back to the Cancer Secrets Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Jonathan Stegall. This is season two and episode number 19. In today's episode, I'm going to discuss what I believe you need to do if you're diagnosed with stage four cancer. If you're new to the show, please go back and listen to my introductory episode to learn more about me and my vision for this podcast. As always, we encourage you to listen with a loved one or friend. Learning and enjoying the show with a community will be more impactful than doing so alone. Today's show is going to be a great one as we tackle stage four cancer. Receiving a cancer diagnosis is always scary. For many people, it comes as a shock. This is especially true when we're talking about stage four cancer.
Speaker2:
Just to review, especially for those who are listening for a loved one or friend who has cancer. Cancer is staged from 1 to 4 stage one. Cancer is a localized cancer that affects only one location in the body. For example, stage one breast cancer is localized to the right breast, for example, or stage one colon cancer is localized to a certain part of the colon. Stage two cancer is similar to stage one, but it involves a larger tumor. Generally speaking, stage three means that cancer has grown outside of a local tumor or lesion and now involves lymph nodes. So that involves some spread from where it was originally located. And stage four cancer means that cancer has spread to a distant location. For example, a woman with breast cancer that's stage four, not only has a lesion in her breast, but that has spread to nearby lymph nodes as well as for other areas such as the lung or bone, for example. So stage four cancer can be the first diagnosis that a patient receives if they've never been diagnosed previously with a lower stage cancer or patients who have been diagnosed previously with a stage one, two or three cancer can be later diagnosed as stage four when it's found that that cancer has spread. Now, a lot of people tend to imagine that cancer just comes out of nowhere. But for most patients, the cancer has been there for five years or even ten years before it was diagnosed.
Speaker2:
So this is a process that may seem like it's happening very quickly, but actually it's a very slow process. From the time that first cancer cell starts to divide and multiply to the point where it becomes a tumor that's causing symptoms and can be diagnosed. So it's a long process, but by the time it's stage four, we know that it's a significant issue. Now, technically speaking, stage four, cancer is not curable. Earlier stage cancers, especially those that are stage one and two and even many stage three cancers, are considered curable in that they're often amenable to surgery. So surgery is considered curative and then certain cancers are also considered curative because they have chemotherapy or radiation or immunotherapy regimens, which in many cases can eradicate the cancer to the point where there's no evidence of that cancer on bloodwork or on imaging. And this is also called no evidence of disease. And I actually prefer that term for these lower stage cancers, because we know in integrative oncology that just because a scan is clear and just because the conventional labs look normal, that doesn't mean that there are no cancer cells in the body. In fact, there are theories that we all have cancer cells at some point, but the body just controls them or eliminates them so that they're not growing and developing to the point of becoming a tumor. But stage four cancer is generally considered incurable.
Speaker2:
Of course, there are cases where patients have been diagnosed with stage four cancer and they're able to get rid of it through the course of treatments. And there are even cases which we call spontaneous remissions, where patients are diagnosed with stage four cancer and the cancer just goes away. And there's actually a really interesting book on this topic by Dr. Kelly Turner called Radical Remission, where she studied these relatively rare cases of patients who were diagnosed with stage four cancer that seemingly disappeared. And what she found is that these patients tended to have several key factors in common. And not surprisingly, a lot of those key factors deal with integrative oncology. These are patients who not only tended to take advantage of conventional therapies, although some did not, they all tended to change their diet. They tended to exercise, they tended to really nurture their relationships and their belief system and their prayer life. And so these are all very important factors that we need to be thinking about. But in today's episode, I really want to get specific on what to do if you're diagnosed with stage four cancer. I'm sure there are many of you out there who may be new to our podcast, or maybe we're referred here by a friend. You've just been dealt a devastating blow. You've been told you have stage four cancer. And whether you've been battling your cancer for a long time and you've recently been diagnosed as stage four, or you had no idea you had cancer and you've just been told you have cancer and it's age four.
Speaker2:
This is going to be a very, very helpful episode for you because there's a lot of fear associated with a cancer diagnosis, understandably. And there's also a lot of uncertainty because you you maybe have met with a doctor already and you've been told probably that there's just one thing you need to be doing or a couple of things. And perhaps you're even being rushed into a decision. They want to start treatment immediately and perhaps you've even gone online and tried to research your diagnosis to see what's out there. And so you're probably overwhelmed. You're not only scared and fearful, but you're also overwhelmed because you don't really know who to listen to. There's a lot of advice out there. Some of it is quite good. I would say most of it is bad. And so I want to really get down to the basics today of how I recommend you approach a diagnosis of stage four cancer. First step is to take a deep breath. You don't need to be rushed into any treatment decision. You really need to give yourself time to do your research to see what options are available to you. Ask the right questions of your doctor. Get a second opinion, or perhaps even a third opinion, depending on your diagnosis. Rely on your support system, your family and your friends.
Speaker2:
And then come together and just really regroup with your support system. And if you don't have a good support system, I think you'll know on your own even what you really want to do next. And I think you need to give yourself ample time to do that research and to be at peace with your decision. But the second step, though, is you do need to commit to a plan. I've seen some patients who have spent so long researching their options that they're really sort of caught in the trap of indecision. They're kind of in that grey area where there may be considering some treatments, but they're not really sure what to do next. And they have what I like to call paralysis by analysis, where they're really not doing anything because they're spending too much time researching and in really over researching and overthinking what they need to do. So I do want you to take the time to do the research you need to do, but your cancer is not going to be taking a break. Your cancer is still going to be growing. So you do need to commit to a plan and start on that plan once you have dotted all of your I's and cross all of your TS. Now, once you've kind of committed to a plan and as you know, I like an integrative approach. So that doesn't mean we overly restrict ourselves in terms of only conventional or only alternative.
Speaker2:
We really need to ideally use both. But the first thing I recommend is that you look at your diet. Now, this is something that, again, is very controversial. You go online and you're going to see a wide range of diets recommended. Some people will say you need to do a low carb or ketogenic approach. Some people will say you need to do an all raw diet. Some will say do a low fat diet. You know, there's all kinds of diets, the Gerson, the Bud Wig, tons of different protocols out there of people who claim that their diet is the best. And, you know, I've really evolved in my belief on the best anti-cancer diet and the evidence well, is what I've seen in clinical practice really shows that a Whole Foods plant based diet is the correct diet. And that's true whether you have stage four cancer and you're actively having treatment for your cancer, or if you have a lower stage cancer or even if you're hoping to prevent cancer, a Whole Foods plant based diet is the way to go. The research speaks for itself. And if you listen to our previous episode, when we talked about my recommended reading list, one of the books I recommended is called The China Study. And the China study was fascinating in that there's really good research that came out of research, studies done in the seventies and eighties that different aspects of the Chinese diet are very anti cancer.
Speaker2:
And what they found is people who ate a more plant based diet, which means fruits, vegetables, beans and grains had significantly lower. Cancer risk than people who eat a higher animal protein diet. And what they found in these studies is that cancer, along with a lot of other diseases like heart disease and diabetes, are much more prevalent in the West. So in the United States, we're obviously a very prosperous country. We have a huge problem with cancer and heart disease and all these other chronic diseases. When the research was done back in the seventies and eighties, these diseases were just simply not common in Asia, specifically in China. These have been termed diseases of affluence, because less affluent areas where they weren't eating a lot of animal protein, they weren't eating a lot of processed food, they just simply did not have these same health concerns. So when we really take a more deep dive into a whole food plant based diet, we're talking, first of all, about eating organic whenever possible. We want to have our food as minimally processed as possible. So that means as close to the earth as possible. So if you can eat a fruit or a vegetable or a grain or a bean in its natural state, then that's great. If you're eating an apple, get an organic apple and ideally eat it raw. You're going to derive a lot of valuable nutrients and antioxidants and anti-cancer substances when you do that.
Speaker2:
Now, obviously, we're going to need some processing if we're talking about a whole grain bread, for instance. That's why I recommend more of the ancient sprouted grains, something like an Ezekiel bread. If you're going to eat bread, assuming you tolerate gluten, okay, that's as opposed to a more mass produced bread where you're getting the refined flours again, that's that's adulterate eating those grains more from their natural state. It's processing them more. And that's not nearly as beneficial for the body. And in that case, it's actually harmful for the body. But we're trying to focus on as few ingredients in our foods as possible. So if you're staying more in the section of the grocery store that has organic fruits and vegetables, it has legumes and grains, ideally as minimally processed as possible, then you're going to be eating a very healthy diet. And this can be a very interesting and fun diet because you have so many foods at your disposal. And as a Christian, I like to think back to the Garden of Eden. What did the Garden of Eden look like? Well, it was a plant based Whole Foods diet. It was before we had pesticides and herbicides and all of these harmful chemicals that we now have in a lot of our food supply had healthy soil, plenty of sunlight, water, a great environment for the food. You didn't see them eating processed food out of a box in a bag.
Speaker2:
So a plant based diet is extremely important. Now, I did not talk much about animal protein, and the reason I did not is because in the research, including that mentioned in the China study as well as other research has shown that animal protein greatly increases the risk of developing cancer. And it also, not surprisingly, increases the rate of cancer progression. So if you don't have cancer and you don't want to get cancer, you really don't need to be eating animal protein. And if you do have cancer, then you absolutely don't need to be eating animal protein. So when I say animal protein, I'm talking about beef, chicken, turkey, pork, fish and dairy. They found that the the the protein known as casein is especially problematic. So this is the protein found in milk and cheese specifically that that greatly increases the risk of cancer development and cancer growth and spread. So we want to try to avoid that. And I know that's going to be hard for some of you to hear because we all like our cheese. I love cheese. I love red meat. But when you really look at the science, you see that these foods are just really not good if we're wanting to reduce our risk of getting cancer or having our cancer spread. So I recommend for cancer patients, whether you're stage one or two or three or certainly if your stage four that you eat a vegan diet.
Speaker2:
So that's going to be a big transition, I know, for some of you, but I truly believe it's one of the most important things you can do. I think, you know, our standards for what constitutes a healthy diet have become skewed, and a lot of that is based on marketing. A lot of that is based on the very powerful beef industry and dairy industry. And of course, they are they're very powerful in terms of lobbying the government. But a lot of the standards we've all been raised on have told us that a healthy diet is one that's high in protein, it's high in animal protein specifically, and that's really just not good. We don't want to do that. So if you. We have to have some animal protein on occasion. It's probably not going to be a big deal. But I found for most patients, the ideal is to just go ahead and commit to eating a plant based diet where you just don't eat any animal products. And that includes eggs, really. You probably shouldn't have eggs regularly because it's not only the protein, it's also the high fat that has been found to be a problem. So a lot of the research out there shows that not only is the animal protein a problem, but a very high fat diet is a problem as well. And if you look at the American diet, it averages between 30 and 40% of calories from fat.
Speaker2:
This is a very high fat diet. And one of the findings in the China study was that we need way less fat than that. The standards at the time when we were eating a, quote, low fat diet was to get less than 30% of the calories from fat. But really, that number needs to be much, much lower. We're talking, you know, 5%, 10% than most of our calories from fat. So it's actually going to be fairly low protein, low fat diet we're talking about for anti-cancer purposes. So the next question is going to be, oh, Dr. Segal, isn't sugar bad? That means I'm eating a lot of carbohydrates, which is basically sugar. Doesn't cancer love sugar? And yes, cancer does love sugar, although I'm not really sure where that statement came from. But primarily, cancer loves processed sugar. So sugar and its natural form, which is what we're getting on a whole food plant based diet, is also going to be buffered by fiber. So if you're eating an apple, getting some carbohydrates, but you're getting natural carbohydrates the way they are found in nature. And you're also having that accompanied by fiber. And fiber is going to blunt the blood sugar response. So so we're not going to get the same blood sugar response eating an apple in its natural state as we would drinking apple juice, which doesn't have any fiber in it at all. So if you're eating sugar and its natural state, I don't want you to worry about it.
Speaker2:
If you're going to have berries, don't worry about sugar. If you're going to eat a banana, don't worry about sugar. If you're going to get some carbohydrates in carrots you eat or in beans you eat, don't worry about it. It's not bad. Cancer is going to feed off of processed sugar primarily. So if you're eating cake and ice cream and all these other things, cancer is going to take that up more readily. And interestingly enough, we found that both normal cells and cancer cells use sugar more readily when it's accompanied with fat. So if it's accompanied by fat, it's going to be even more of a fast uptake by cells. So we don't want to do that. So if we're eating carbohydrates in their natural state, they're not accompanied, you know, with a high fat diet, then you're going to be just fine. And just to ease your concerns a little bit in thinking, oh, I might be fueling my cancer if I eat, you know, natural carbohydrates. There have been plenty of studies that show that cancer can grow from a wide variety of fuel sources. So it's not only carbohydrates, it's protein, it's fat, it's it's even other things that are natural to the body, like hormones and iron and copper and all kinds of things. So this whole idea that we need to use nutrition to, quote, starve cancer is really wrong.
Speaker2:
You can't really starve cancer or else you're not going to be eating anything at all. Cancer is on occasion going to be able to steal nutrients from the body. We want to make sure we're giving it good, high quality nutrients, the body that is so that we're we're nourishing our healthy cells. And then, of course, we're going to add to our anti cancer regimen by incorporating some actual cancer treatments. Nutrition should be viewed as a way to best nourish the body and create an environment where cancer can't flourish and grow. And that's exactly what we're doing with a whole food plant based diet. I feel very strongly about this. Are you feeling overwhelmed by all the information you've received from your oncologist, chiropractor, nutritionist, herbalist, acupuncturist, guru and friends as well as what you've read online? If you're like most people, you are more confused than ever when it comes to cancer. Hi, this is Dr. Jonathan Segal, medical doctor and specialist in integrative oncology. And I want to tell you about my new best selling book, Cancer Secrets. This book is packed with valuable information you need to know about. I'm an open minded skeptic, which means that I'm open to any potential treatment, but also have a healthy level of skepticism when it comes to the latest greatest treatments in cancer secrets. I've applied my clinical experience with patients, as well as a scientific knowledge I've obtained over the years to share the tests and treatments.
Speaker2:
You should be focusing on treatments which are most likely to work. Everyone needs an expert in their corner and with this book I can be yours. Please go to Cancer Secrets now and buy your copy today. The next step is to incorporate conventional treatments. And by conventional treatments I mean chemotherapy, surgery, radiation when needed. Now, you don't need to incorporate all of these possibly. But I do want you to at least be open to them because they can provide a really good effect. And again, they need to be used in the right fashion. We don't need to haphazardly use chemotherapy or radiation. And I did not mention surgery, not because I have a problem with surgery, but because typically when we're talking about stage four, cancer surgery is not really an option. So some of these therapies we're talking about in the stage four setting are not considered curative, but they can help us to address the tumor burden. So we know that any tumor in the body is a potential source of cancer cells, which can then be released into the lymphatic system or the bloodstream, to then move to other sites and set up shop there and cause cancer there. So what you see in very significant stage four cancers is that there are tumors all over the body. The the stage one or two cancer has already seeded the the lymph nodes or the blood, and the cancer has spread to other places.
Speaker2:
So patients with significant stage four cancer, they may have cancer in four or five or six different locations. And this is a significant cancer burden. And so that's why not only do we need to talk about nutrition, but also some therapies that can potentially decrease the tumor burden. So that could be chemotherapy. So hopefully shrink the tumors that are there. Radiation therapy can can address some tumor burden as well. And even surgery sometimes doctors will recommend what's called debulking surgery. Even if you can't get the whole tumor out of there, you can at least get some of it safely so that the potential number of cancer cells that can later spread is decreased. So there's a lot of options there. And I mentioned conventional treatments because I want you to consider them as an option. We're talking about stage four cancer especially. We're not really in a position to be overly restrictive in the therapies that we are or are not willing to do. So I want you to be open to those. And again, you need to do your research, get a second or third opinion, make sure that the potential benefit from a treatment outweighs the potential. But but these can be some really good therapies that help us. And next, I want you to be open to natural and alternative treatments. Now, nutrition is considered a more natural treatment, but I consider it a mainstay for everyone because nutrition is so important.
Speaker2:
That's why I talked about it earlier. But there are some other natural and alternative treatments that I think can be very good, and we have a lot we can choose from. But some of the main ones I'll talk about intravenous vitamin C, there's a lot of good research on vitamin C and how it can help kill cancer cells, how it can make chemotherapy work better and vice versa. And obviously, it has some immune system effects as well. So I think intravenous vitamin C is a great treatment to incorporate for most patients. Now, I.V. Vitamin C is not a standalone treatment. I don't view any cancer treatment as an ideal standalone treatment because we need to have as many successful treatments as we can on board to really overwhelm cancer. Because if you only hit it with one or two different treatments, it's probably going to figure it out and adapt and come back in the future if it doesn't evade treatment entirely. So as many good treatments as we can have on board the better. But some other alternative treatments in addition to IV Vitamin C mistletoe is a great one. It's used heavily in Germany and other countries. It has not caught on as much in the U.S. I'm not really sure why. There's some good research on mistletoe. It helps chemotherapy work better, stimulates the immune system. It's actually been shown to reduce the frequency and severity of side effects from other treatments.
Speaker2:
So again, for most patients, I love the idea of including mistletoe. I use it routinely with my patients and it's extremely helpful. There can also be some good supplements, nutritional supplements to include as well. A lot of patients I find get really hung up almost on nutritional supplements. I don't think there are any magical supplements out there that are going to cure anyone's cancer. The temptation, I think, because maybe there's a lot of information available online. The temptation is for patients to really just obsess over the supplements they're on. Supplements should be exactly as their name implies. They should be supplements. They should supplement the treatment regimen. They should supplement the diet. You know, there are a few supplements, I think that can be really good for people. I've covered some of my favorite supplements in a previous episode. But generally speaking, patients can typically benefit from a good vitamin D supplement to help optimize the immune system. Patients can usually benefit from a good probiotic. We want to make sure that that gut is healthy because that's a very key player in the body's immune system and the defense against cancer. So a good probiotic is good. And then there's a few others that can be good for people. But again, if a patient came to me and we needed to prioritize treatments, I would probably not prioritize supplements because they're not nearly as powerful as some of the other things we've talked about, like chemotherapy and radiation and the vitamin C and I.V.
Speaker2:
mistletoe. So I don't want you to stress over your cell phone protocol because it's a very minor, certainly in comparison to nutrition as well. The next step I want to talk about is monitoring. So certainly getting a good treatment plan in place is extremely important, but we have to also have a good way of seeing how that's working. I've had a lot of new patients come to me who feel that they're having a great treatment plan and ask them how they're doing and they say, Oh, I'm doing great. And I say, okay, well, what tests or images is that based on? And they say, Oh, I don't know. I haven't been doing any labs. I don't want to get any imaging. Well, we have to monitor our treatment to know how we're doing. If we're doing great and things are improving awesome, we're going to keep it going. But we need evidence of that versus if we get some test results back that maybe aren't so good, then that gives us a clue that we need to improve some things and change some things. So getting a good plan in place for monitoring is very important. And so certainly I think we need to incorporate the standard of care here in terms of PET scans, CT scans, MRIs, I know there's some concern about contrast with with patients. There's concern about radiation exposure in the case of a CT scan or a PET scan, I know that's not ideal, but I think the benefit of having those pictures is greatly more important than the small risk of radiation or contrast.
Speaker2:
And we need to be careful that we don't over scan patients. But failing to get that information, I think, is a critical mistake that people make because, you know is is many great labs is we have a picture truly is worth a thousand words and so getting some kind of an image is very important. And I think thermography can play a supportive role here, but thermography should not replace the more conventional imaging modalities and then labs. There are some great labs we need to get, certainly to monitor the immune system electrolytes, kidneys, liver and then tumor markers where applicable. So these are things like see 15 dash three C, a 27.29 PSA. In the case of prostate cancer, there's a lot of different markers we can get that I think are important, but these are also notoriously inaccurate. So we don't want to get caught up in saying, oh, well, my markers have have normalized. That means I don't have any cancer. Not true. I've had stage four cancer patients who have completely normal tumor markers. And that means that we don't want to put all of our faith and trust in them, especially once we get a good treatment plan in place. Sometimes those markers can go up because they're nonspecific.
Speaker2:
So you can have a rise in markers because you're getting cancer, cell death, what we call die off. And you can also have a rise in markers when your cancer is spreading and getting worse. So we want to get markers and monitor them, but we need to also have some other good tests in place. And so at the time of this recording, I really like the IV gene test that's IVI, G and E, that's a blood test out of a lab in Indiana. And they measure what is known as methylated circulating tumor cell DNA. So this is a more alternative test. It's not a mainstream test, but I found it valuable to really get an idea of the systemic burden of cancer because it's detecting little small pieces of cancer, cell DNA. So even though it's not FDA approved to diagnose cancer, it's not one of the tests that your conventional oncologist is going to be aware of. Or is going to use it is something that I use for pretty much every patient. We get a baseline and then we follow that periodically as we provide treatments so that we can actually see the difference we're making. So that's a very good test. I like to to also include. And then finally, arguably, most importantly, if you have stage four cancer or any cancer really for that matter, you need to really nurture your support system. So certainly if you have a spouse, parents, children, siblings, friends, anyone who you know is in your corner, anyone who you know loves you is going to rally around you and be there for you, whether it be to help make important decisions or to be a sounding board or just to be someone who can be at treatments with you or or drive you to treatments or whatever it may be.
Speaker2:
Definitely take advantage of that. People who love you want to help you. And we know from research that having a good support system makes a difference in treatment outcomes. And so if you have a good support system, I strongly encourage you to lean on them. They want to help you. And if you don't have the support system that you want or need, work really hard to develop that because you really need people to help you in this process, especially with stage four cancer. So I hope you'll take that to heart and really, really work on that if you need to. And then part of that support system is spiritual health. And so, you know, as a Christian, I firmly believe that you need to embrace the power of prayer. Know that God loves you and that he wants health for you. And if you're of another religious belief system, rely on that. You know, call on that, because they've also done plenty of studies on people who are praying for themselves and even people who are being prayed for. And they do better.
Speaker2:
They have better outcomes. And so I want you to really use this time while you're dealing with a diagnosis and making treatment decisions and undergoing treatments, use it as a time to really strengthen your spiritual life. I've had patients tell me that even though they were so sad to get a cancer diagnosis, that they're actually thankful that they got it because it allowed them to really prioritize their spiritual life. And so this can be a really productive time in your life for spiritual growth. And so I encourage you to really embrace that. So I hope this episode has been helpful for you. Again, I know, especially if you've recently been given a stage four cancer diagnosis, you're reeling, you're scared, you're shocked. You're probably thinking, Oh my gosh, what do I do? Probably feeling some overwhelm. If you've been doing any research or you're experiencing what I call paralysis by analysis. And I want this episode to serve as a reminder to you that, number one, you have options. But number two, you should feel empowered because in this episode we've talked about the most important things you can be doing based on the research that's out there and based on my clinical experience, to give yourself the best chance of having success. And for some stage four cancer's success means let's stabilize things. Let's keep it from getting worse. This is really called cancer as a chronic disease. And for for many patients, cancer can be controlled to the point where you can live with it for many, many years, ideally with a really good quality of life.
Speaker2:
And even if it shows up on scans, it's still being there. It's not spreading, it's not growing. That's really my first goal when I counsel a stage four patient. And then ultimately our goal is to get some shrinkage of tumors and in some cases to get rid of them. And I truly believe with this really good integrative plan in place, we can help people do that. So obviously it's an individual thing. Everybody's different. I can't know specifically what your situation is, but these guidelines, I believe, are very important and can hopefully help you as you evaluate your current situation and plan where you want to go from here. Also, please subscribe to our podcast to be notified of future episodes. If you're enjoying this podcast, we would really appreciate it if you would leave a five star review of the Cancer Secrets podcast on iTunes so that others can know how beneficial this information can be to them. In addition, please share this with your friends post on social media. You can send them a link from our website Cancer Secrets dot com. All of our previous episodes are available to listen to For Free, and we'll be adding new episodes as they're released. We will be having more great information coming your way the rest of this year. Happy New Year. I look forward to next time. Buh bye.
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